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Phil's Fish Market. Moss landing, CA
01-07-2014, 06:07 PM
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RE: Phil's Fish Market. Moss landing, CA
The fact that you're hip to L'Aventure was a real shock to me me this morning. I was sitting there wondering how the heck you knew when I noticed what a gorgeous day was right outside my door. So I got on the bike and rode to L'Aventure.Big Grin

Over a couple swirls of good red, the knowledgeable attendant clued me in. Quebec is the leading export destination for Asseo's wines. The québécois are in on the ground floor of something special.Big Grin

Anyway, I increased my club allotment to 12 bottles a year and rode some great twisty roads home. Mission accomplished.Exclamation

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01-07-2014, 07:41 PM (This post was last modified: 01-07-2014 07:48 PM by LiveToCook.)
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RE: Phil's Fish Market. Moss landing, CA
NOW!!!! I am really j.e.a.l.o.u.s....Big Grin And yes, what a beautiful wine it is!!!
I think that if I had your backyard, I would be seriously smiling.... dawn to ''sunset''...(lol). And just out of curiosity, how much is this wine at the winery and club?
As for wines, I have acquired half decent taste buds over the years.
Congrats on using the accents on the old French language, you are a man of many talents.
As mentioned, I love CA wines and I do have a couple of them under my roof. Caymus, Joseph Phelps, Neal, Cappola, Beringer, Opus, Martha's, Craig, 7Zins, probably a couple more that I cannot remember. A good friend also brought me 2 from the Paso Robles area recently because he knew that my mom's maiden name was Proulx, he brought me the 2011 Proulx Dimples and 2009? Proulx Black Label Zin. Hummm, just wondering if I should pull one open.
We also get J.Lohr, Justin, Treana (great rich wine for the $$ and a favorite of a friend) and probably a few others that I haven't discovered yet... Believe me, I will be looking closely from now on. And I am going in the morning to buy a 6 pack (L'Aventure) of this juice before they sell out!!! A good ride in the decanter just made this wine outstanding for the price. By the way ''Lucky You'', rode on 2 wheels to the winery earlier... For us here it is in the -15 deg C (5 F) range with some violent winds that probably make the ''felt'' at -30 C (-22F) or lower(most probable). The minus 15, I can take, but this wind NO...
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01-12-2014, 10:16 PM
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RE: Phil's Fish Market. Moss landing, CA
Sunset, Sorry for the late reply to your comments when I was experiencing some "technical problems". I really appreciated your comment; "I do believe you're probably about the most knowledgeable "ambitious home cook" on the board and your input is valuable." Many thanks and my turn here... You are very knowledgeable also, you certainly can make some nice dishes.
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01-27-2014, 10:27 AM
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RE: Phil's Fish Market. Moss landing, CA
Apologies for the tardy reply...I stay the heck out of the office as much as possible this time of year. And thank you for the compliment!

L'Aventure has several offerings, but are mostly known for outstanding reds. Asseo's flagship offering(Optimus) is $45 non-wine club and $36 for wine club members. Additionally, he offers a few higher end red blends e.g., "Chloe" and "Cote a Cote"...both being $85 non-member and $68 member. There is no charge to join the wine club, merely a commitment to purchase either 6 or 12 bottles annually.

Looks like you have a splendid stable of CA reds laid down. Proulx is actually right next door to Denner, which is one of our favorites in the area. Mrs. Sunset and I will again be in the area within the next 2 weeks or so. We will definitely hit Proulx and hopefully have some feedback for you. That is, of course, if you haven't already destroyed both the Dimples and Black label Zin.Big Grin

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01-27-2014, 11:40 AM (This post was last modified: 01-27-2014 11:44 AM by LiveToCook.)
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RE: Phil's Fish Market. Moss landing, CA
Sunset, it is a great privilege to be able to ''scroll'' in a backyard like yours. Being a heavy red enthusiast, I certainly would be like a 5 year old into a Toys'R'Us.... Up my way, in Québec, our wine industry is somewhat poor. As I always say, if I would have been brought up in the ''Sour'' type candies generation, I probably could ''drink'' some of them in white. We have a phenomenally excellent quality and great selection of apple ciders in all shades and styles including Ice Ciders.
This week I am travelling to Southern Ontario (Niagara Peninsula), these guys have got some world class Ice Wines, great whites and some very decent reds (overpriced). As for the Proulx's, I have not pulled the corks on these... yet, I am waiting for my friend that brought them in. They are not available here. And I see that the non-member price is not far from the pricing we pay in Cdn $, Optimum at 55.50 and I paid 92.00 for the Estate Cuvée yesterday, can't wait to open this!!! As for Californians, as mentioned previously, they are an outstanding buy for us here in QC. Some say that they are expensive, but if you compare them to the French at a dollar for dollar vs. quality, it becomes a no brainer in buying the Californians, they are ''cheap'' in my book for the quality you get. I now buy very little French unless they are from smaller ''unknown'' regions. And,if I was very unreasonable, I would cook myself a piece of beef for dinner, pop the lid of one of these CA reds, indulge myself and then blow some cigar smoke in the garage and take the week off and just smirk around town!!! Rolleyes
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01-27-2014, 05:17 PM
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RE: Phil's Fish Market. Moss landing, CA
Sunset, Do you know anything about Justin Winery?
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01-30-2014, 03:09 PM
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RE: Phil's Fish Market. Moss landing, CA
(01-27-2014 05:17 PM)LiveToCook Wrote:  Sunset, Do you know anything about Justin Winery?

Why yes, yes I do.Smile

What would you like to know? The wines? The recent change of ownership? The incredible price fix dining? The accommodations?

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01-30-2014, 09:59 PM (This post was last modified: 01-30-2014 10:04 PM by LiveToCook.)
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RE: Phil's Fish Market. Moss landing, CA
They have all that??? Now you are really getting me going!!! The question was mainly regarding the wines, your opinion versus let's say L'aventure as there is some available in Quebec... Will have to ride a ''skidoo'', not a bike like yourself to go pick them up! But hey to each his own means. And, what we do have available is the Justin Justification 2011, Justin Paso Robles Cab.-Sau. 2011, Justin Syrah Paso Robles 2006, Justin The Orphan 2008 and Justin Chardonnay 2011. And did get some Adelaida Zin (Paso Robles) 2009 in Southern Ontario... Which was very good for the price. You opened up my curiosity pretty wide... now I am intensely looking for the Paso Robles wines... You should get a commission for the marketing aspect. Smile
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02-06-2014, 03:37 PM
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RE: Phil's Fish Market. Moss landing, CA
Greetings LTC!

Having recently dined at Justin including, of course, the pairings...I'm familiar with every wine you've listed except the Syrah. But I can tell you the west Paso region produces excellent syrah grapes(Law Estates comes to mind), and Justin does a good job on their offerings. So, I would not be afraid to sample a bottle to find out. That being said...

DISCAIMER!!! I am not, nor do I pretend to be any kind of wine specialist. The following are merely my observations and opinions. And we all know the score on opinions.Wink

-Justification is a Cab Franc/Merlot blend. Considerably softer than their flagship wine "Isosceles". Being a 2011, it will probably benefit from being laid down 3-5yrs. However due to it's softer nature it can be enjoyed now with no ill effects. This is a very nice wine that can be popped for special occasions with no fear.

-Orphan is a lower priced red blend of several varietals that offers an excellent value. I'm not exactly sure which varietals were used in 08, but it's the type of wine you'd pop on a tue afternoon once all the snow shoveling is done.Big Grin I can't imagine an 08 orphan degrading by 2014, but you'd want to drink it sooner rather than later.

-Cab Sau. Paso Cabs tend to be softer with less angular mouth feel than thier Napa counterparts owing to their specific terrior. That said, a 2011 cab sau is going to have pretty firm structure right now and will easily cut through whatever dish you throw at it. Personally, I would lay it down for 3-5yrs

-Chard...who cares! Just a little joke there.Big Grin I'm not a white guy at all, but I must admit the Justin Chard is pretty good. The reason I like it is because it's crisp and flinty minerality with undertones of citrus and pear works for me. The one thing I can't stand are cloyingly sweet, buttery chards with herbatious under tones. The Justin chard certainly doesn't fit that undesirable description.

-I'm surprised your merchant doesn't have the Isosceles bordeaux blend to offer you. It's the Justin flagship wine and also the wine that won a French blind taste test several years ago, thus putting Paso Robles on the map. This is a deep/complex blend that really benefits from cellaring. In fact I recently popped an 06 Isosceles and felt it could use a few more years. Drinking a 2011 Isosceles would be a terrible sin IMO, and due to it's massive structure, would probably rip the enamel right off your teeth.

-I've never sample the adelaida zin, but the paso growing region is very kind to the zin varietal. Turley and Proulx come to mind.

Speaking of Proulx(pronounced "Prue" for y'all non francais folks), we had our first visit there the day before yesterday and found the wines to be excellent and the proprietor/winemaker Kevin Riley to be one helluva great guy. Being producers, he and I have MUCH in common with regard to water rights, politics, cultural practices, and the desire to to pass on what we've built to our progeny. Anyway...we sampled all his offerings and purchased his 2010 Dimples(named after his youngest son), and the 2010 JackBarrett(named after his two older sons). If you like the Dimples you will also like his black label zin. I'm a big fan of peppery zins, and kevins zins deliver. His wines are definitely softer in nature right out of the bottle and in my opinion require zero cellar time or decanting. In other words one can enjoy them now with no fear. I can just imagine how well they will pair with my braised short ribs!

Here is a pic of Kevin and his lovely family, as well as a bit of verbiage regarding his operation.

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02-07-2014, 10:50 AM (This post was last modified: 02-12-2014 11:39 PM by LiveToCook.)
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RE: Phil's Fish Market. Moss landing, CA
Bonjour Sunset,

As always it is a pleasure reading you. Oh... by the way, your disclaimer is NOT valid! For me, you just are being a little too humble!!!! Big Grin The descriptions given are extremely well written and precise, it leaves me wondering if you are a wine literature professional. (Critic or journalist). As for score on opinions and from what I have read in your comments, I would certainly say that your wine taste(s) is pretty much in line with my buds (taste) and preferences. So I guess that I would need to score you in the upper echelons. (90+ for now with a tendency to actually stay in that range). As Justin's winery, I will get what I can from the local outlets.
Allow me know to open a little bracket here on the wine business in Canada as a whole except for the province of Alberta. All wines, liquor and beer are bought, distributed and sold (''managed'') by provincial governments. So the prices are set and of course highly taxed and sold in the government outlets as a monopoly. Without going into infinite details, there are certainly advantages and disadvantages to this system for us. One great advantage being that once the prices are set, they remain. One example was a French Chateauneuf-du-Pape going back a couple of years that rated 100. This wine sky rocketed in the 450-500$ US down in the US and it remained here at 99.00$ can.
Now back to Justin's, as for the Isosceles bordeaux blend, was it available here? Good question! If so, in what quantity and this wine being as good as what you say, probably flew off the shelf being purchased by ''clowns'' just like myself in decent quantities, so gone it was, fast. So, I will keep my eyes open for the next batch. As mentioned above, I will purchase the Justins and will post my comments.
As for the Proulx, many thanks as I appreciate the information and as previously mentioned, my mother's maiden name was Proulx and interestingly enough, they were all farmers, except for the girls who moved to the city when they married. To this day, I still would have loved to have been raised on the farm. By the way, they were all dairy farmers. Now back to wines... If you enjoy the L'aventure wines, you have to leave some of the humble pie behind and take the credit you deserve. And as for the Paso Robles wines, they are certainly very good and they certainly do the job for me, all this at a very decent price. Cheers!!!
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